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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    SENATE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                  
                         March 24, 2011                                                                                         
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donald Olson, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
Senator Linda Menard                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Albert Kookesh                                                                                                          
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: PLANNING FOR ALASKA'S REGIONAL PORTS AND HARBORS                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PAT BURDEN, President and Principal Economist                                                                                   
Northern Economics                                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the report, Alaska Regional Ports:                                                              
Planning for Alaska's Ports and Harbors.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DONALD FORE                                                                                                                     
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers                                                                                                    
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered a question regarding federal funds                                                               
for the maintenance of ports and harbors in Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JEFF OTTESEN, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Program Development                                                                                                 
Department of Transportation                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Discussed  the   use  of   Public  Private                                                             
Partnerships as a  potential method of funding  ports and harbors                                                               
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ED FOGELS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                  
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave a presentation  on the Statewide Digital                                                             
Mapping Initiative (SDMI).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
NICK MASTRODICASA, Project Manager                                                                                              
Statewide Digital Mapping Initiative Project                                                                                    
Division of Statewide Aviation                                                                                                  
Department of Transportation                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Answered   questions   of  the   committee                                                             
regarding SDMI.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MIKE O'HARE, Deputy Director                                                                                                    
Division   of   Homeland   Security  and   Emergency   Management                                                               
Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs (DMVA)                                                                             
Fort Richardson, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on the  importance of SDMI  from a                                                             
homeland security and emergency standpoint.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY DIETRICK, Director                                                                                                        
Division of Spill Prevention and Response                                                                                       
Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Highlighted  some   of  the  items  in  the                                                             
Planning for  Alaska's Ports and  Harbors report that  relates to                                                               
spill prevention and response.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN BELL, Commissioner                                                                                                        
Department  of  Commerce,   Community  and  Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED)                                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on  the Planning for Alaska's Ports                                                             
and Harbors report and discussed  DCCED's role in the development                                                               
of ports and harbors in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BOB PAWLOWSKI, Legislative Liaison                                                                                              
Denali Commission                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Discussed  the Denali  Commission's role  in                                                             
the development of ports and harbors in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
LARRY COTTER, CEO                                                                                                               
Aleutian  Island Community  Development Association  (APICDA) and                                                               
Chair                                                                                                                           
Western Alaska Community Development Association (WACDA)                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on  the importance of  harbors and                                                             
ports  of  refuge  in Alaska,  specifically  along  the  Aleutian                                                               
Chain, and answered questions of the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MATT GANLEY, Vice President                                                                                                     
Land and Resources                                                                                                              
Bering Straits Native Corporation (BSNC)                                                                                        
Nome, AK                                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed the  importance of  obtaining Port                                                             
Clarence as a potential port of  refuge and for spill response in                                                               
Bering Strait.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MARK DAVIS, Officer                                                                                                             
Economic Development                                                                                                            
Alaska   Industrial  Development   &  Export   Authority  (AIDEA)                                                               
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on  the Planning for Alaska's Ports                                                             
and Harbors report  and discussed some of the  current and future                                                               
port and harbor projects AIDEA is involved with.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE KLEIN, Executive Vice President and COO                                                                               
Calista Corporation                                                                                                             
Bethel, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Emphasized the  importance of  state funding                                                             
for Alaska's  ports and harbors,  pointed out some issues  in the                                                               
Planning  for Alaska's  Ports and  Harbors  report, and  answered                                                               
questions of the committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:21 PM                                                                                                                  
SENATOR MENARD  called the Senate Community  and Regional Affairs                                                             
Standing Committee meeting  to order at 3:30 p.m.  Present at the                                                               
call to  order was  Senator Menard.  Chair Olson  arrived shortly                                                               
thereafter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:31:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MENARD  presented a  short film  clip depicting  the Knik                                                               
Arm Bridge  and Toll  Authority (KABATA)  from Port  Mackenzie to                                                               
the Port of  Anchorage. She noted that a  recommendation from the                                                               
Federal Highway Administration has  been received. She added that                                                               
DVDs of the clip are available.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD turned the gavel over to Chair Olson at 3:32 p.m.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: PLANNING FOR ALASKA'S REGIONAL PORTS AND HARBORS                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:32:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  OLSON announced  that the  order of  business would  be to                                                               
hear a  presentation regarding the  recent release of a  study on                                                               
planning for Alaska's regional ports and harbors.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
PAT   BURDEN,  President   and   Principal  Economist,   Northern                                                               
Economics,  presented  a  report titled  Alaska  Regional  Ports:                                                               
Planning for Alaska's Ports and  Harbors. He said that the report                                                               
was created  for the US Army  Corps of Engineers (USACE)  and the                                                               
Department  of  Transportation  (DOT)  [Report  included  in  the                                                               
document packet].                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He turned to his presentation  [included in the document packet].                                                               
Slide  3  discussed   the  purpose  of  the  study   and  how  it                                                               
originated. He  explained that in  January 2008,  USACE sponsored                                                               
the  first  Alaska  Regional  Ports  Conference.  The  conference                                                               
highlighted the need for a  collaborative planning effort between                                                               
the entities that were engaged  in port and harbor development in                                                               
the state. He noted that at  that time there was no statewide map                                                               
or plan  for port and  harbor development. During  the conference                                                               
participants  recommended development  of a  comprehensive master                                                               
plan  to address  the marine  transportation challenges  faced by                                                               
the state.  He explained that  a master plan would  encourage the                                                               
coordination  of facilities  and resources,  resulting in  a more                                                               
functional system. This  would allow the state  to better address                                                               
the  needs of  its population  and industries  relying on  marine                                                               
transportation.  In  order  to properly  draft  such  a  document                                                               
research  on global  trends, regional  networks, and  the current                                                               
and future needs of Alaska was required.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Slide 4  laid out the  scope of  work for Alaska  regional ports,                                                               
which was  conducted by URS Corporation,  Northern Economics, and                                                               
RISE Alaska  LLC. He said that  in order to develop  the scope of                                                               
work, there were six basic tasks that needed to be undertaken.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDEN continued  with his  presentation. Slide  5 discussed                                                               
the  first  task:  the  strategic   trends  report.  This  report                                                               
summarized the trends in the  maritime transportation industry on                                                               
both  a global  scale  and in  the state  of  Alaska. The  report                                                               
looked at:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · International developments in operations and facilities                                                                    
     such as new shipping routes, trade patterns, and port                                                                      
     ownership.                                                                                                                 
   · Trends in demand for Alaska maritime operations and                                                                        
     facilities such as resource industry developments and                                                                      
     emergency response needs and the absence of harbors of                                                                     
     refuge in Western Alaska.                                                                                                  
   · Assessment of shipping and port development issues in                                                                      
     Alaska.                                                                                                                    
   · Port   and    harbor   investment   needs    and   financing                                                               
     opportunities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Slide 6  discussed the  second task:  the baseline  assessment of                                                               
existing ports  and harbors  in Alaska.  He explained  that USACE                                                               
conducted a  mailed survey to  owners of private and  public port                                                               
and harbor  facilities. These results  established the  basis for                                                               
describing existing port  and harbor infrastructures, attributes,                                                               
and  needs.  He  explained  that  the  assessment  also  included                                                               
secondary materials  such as  financial statements,  budgets, and                                                               
transportation plans  to illustrate how different  facilities are                                                               
governed and financed.  Using the information from  the survey as                                                               
a base,  databases of  port and harbor  projects from  the USACE,                                                               
DOT,  and the  Denali Commission  were incorporated  to create  a                                                               
comprehensive statewide list of needs.  He noted that the list is                                                               
a work in progress and will continue in the future.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Slide 7 described the third  task: the preliminary identification                                                               
of regional  and subregional  hubs. He  explained that  hubs were                                                               
identified through a systems approach,  where facilities with the                                                               
largest  network impacts  may become  focal points  for improving                                                               
regional  transportation. Hubs  were determined  through industry                                                               
interviews and were vetted with a project advisory group.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDEN explained  that regional  hubs represent  the primary                                                               
ports of  entry for  goods moving  into or out  of the  state and                                                               
region.   While  subregional   hubs   are   primarily  used   for                                                               
distributing goods  from the  regional hubs  to elsewhere  in the                                                               
region.  He emphasized  that  while  Northern Economics  believes                                                               
hubs should  receive a  priority there are  a number  of criteria                                                               
that should be used to rank projects.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:42:00 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide 8 was a map and  list of regional and subregional hubs that                                                               
were identified in the report.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Slide 9 discussed the fourth  plan: to develop appropriate policy                                                               
and  plan  development.  He  explained  that  Northern  Economics                                                               
identified impediments  to efficient port and  harbor development                                                               
and  recommended  improvements in  the  way  federal, state,  and                                                               
local governments  work together and facilitate  development. The                                                               
recommendations   that  were   provided  came   from  stakeholder                                                               
interviews,   literature  reviews,   and   experience  with   the                                                               
industry. The  report identifies a  number of areas  of potential                                                               
improvement, including:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · Communication                                                                                                              
   · Coordination in planning                                                                                                   
   · Project prioritization                                                                                                     
   · Regional participation                                                                                                     
   · New thoughts on funding                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 10 included  the fifth task: the Regional  Port and Harbors                                                               
Conference.  The  conference was  held  to  share information  on                                                               
statewide  port and  harbor  progress since  the  first Port  and                                                               
Harbors conference in  2008. USACE and RISE  Alaska organized and                                                               
sponsored  the  conference;  Northern Economics  participated  as                                                               
speakers and aided in material presentation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 11  discussed the sixth  task: the final  plan preparation.                                                               
He said  that based  on the input  from the  conference, Northern                                                               
Economics revised the  draft plans and posted the  Final Plan for                                                               
public  comment. He  noted that  this public  comment period  was                                                               
extended  to  March 31,  2011.  He  said  that  while it  is  not                                                               
expected  that the  final  plan will  be  modified, the  comments                                                               
received may be used in future revisions to the plan.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:44:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON  said the  maintenance of ports  and harbors  that is                                                               
being given back  to municipalities appears to be  a fairly large                                                               
issue.  He asked  if Northern  Economics took  into consideration                                                               
the expense and the ease of maintaining these ports and harbors.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDEN replied that the  need for sustainability of the ports                                                               
and harbors was  discussed. He noted that  Northern Economics has                                                               
been working  with a  number of communities  around the  state in                                                               
order to  maintain financial stability.  He explained  that often                                                               
these facilities  are being subsidized through  the general fund,                                                               
rather than being maintained through appropriate user charges.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  asked  about  federal   funds  related  to  ongoing                                                               
maintenance of ports and harbors.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDEN  replied that he is  unaware of any federal  funds for                                                               
harbor maintenance.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:45:47 PM                                                                                                                    
DONALD FORE,  US Army  Corps of  Engineers (USACE),  replied that                                                               
nationwide,  USACE  has  a   maintenance  program  for  federally                                                               
authorized  projects. Typically  there is  not enough  funding to                                                               
maintain  these  projects  properly.  He  noted  that  it  is  no                                                               
different in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER  commented that  a heavier  emphasis needs  to be                                                               
made  on  communication  with  individuals   who  own  ports  and                                                               
harbors. From his  own personal experiences, he  observed that it                                                               
appears there are large discrepancies  in the charges that owners                                                               
are making in order to house a  vessel. He said that "it all goes                                                               
back to the fact that  Alaskans have gotten something for nothing                                                               
for so long that they are  unwilling to pay for the services they                                                               
get."  He said  that this  cuts through  the entire  problem with                                                               
regard to fees for maintenance.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:47:40 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF   OTTESEN,  Director,   Division  of   Program  Development,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation,  discussed   the  use  of  Public                                                               
Private  Partnerships  (PPP) as  a  potential  method of  funding                                                               
ports and harbors  in Alaska. He explained that  his division led                                                               
the port study for DOT. He noted  that Mr. Burden did a great job                                                               
in summarizing  the overall report. He  said that PPP might  be a                                                               
financing technique that could be  used for port and harbor work.                                                               
PPP  has been  used in  the  past in  the United  States and  has                                                               
become  very  widely  used  in  Europe and  Asia.  This  type  of                                                               
partnership  is  more recent  in  North  America, though  several                                                               
states are using  it, which includes Alaska's  KABATA project. He                                                               
noted  that   AIDEA  [Alaska  Industrial  Development   &  Export                                                               
Authority] has  many of the  characteristics of a PPP,  though it                                                               
is not  precisely the  same. He  explained that  in this  type of                                                               
partnership a  firm is hired,  which takes  on much of  the risk:                                                               
this  includes  the  acquisition  of financing,  the  design  and                                                               
building  of the  structure, and,  ultimately, the  operation and                                                               
maintenance of  the facility for  some period of  time. Typically                                                               
at some  point the facility is  handed back to the  public entity                                                               
that authorized  the construction. He  explained that the  key is                                                               
there needs to be a bankable  project with a robust base of users                                                               
who are willing to pay fees and will ultimately support the PPP.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:50:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. OTTESEN  noted that this  can't be  done when there  are thin                                                               
economics,  but rather  the kind  of robust  economics that  will                                                               
satisfy Wallstreet.  He explained  that while  PPPs have,  in the                                                               
past, been focused  on "mega projects," the focus  has changed to                                                               
smaller projects. He  summarized that PPP is an old  idea that is                                                               
worth  new  consideration. However,  it  will  not be  ideal  for                                                               
Alaska's  economics because  of  geographical distance,  terrain,                                                               
and thin  population. He  explained that  there was  an agreement                                                               
between the USACE and DOT to look into PPPs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said that  there is a follow-up study that  has been requested                                                               
in the Legislative Capital Budget  to look at specific port needs                                                               
for larger vessels on the  western and northern coasts of Alaska.                                                               
This study  would focus on ports  that would serve the  export of                                                               
commodities, patrol needs  of the Coast Guard  and NOAA [National                                                               
Oceanic and  Atmospheric Administration],  and act  as a  port of                                                               
refuge. He  noted that there  are very few natural  harbors along                                                               
the western and northern coast  of Alaska; the Coast Guard, Navy,                                                               
and  Alaska's congressional  delegation  are  very interested  in                                                               
this study.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:53:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON  asked, with regard  to Public  Private Partnerships,                                                               
what the  ideal ratio between  public money versus  private money                                                               
might be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN  answered that  PPPs seem to  focus on  projects that                                                               
have  sufficient  revenue   to  cover  some  of   the  risks.  He                                                               
reiterated that  very robust economics  is needed. He  noted that                                                               
it will not be easy to apply  PPP in rural Alaska because of cost                                                               
and low population.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON asked  if the  population that  would use  KABATA is                                                               
large enough to avoid using a large amount of public funds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN  replied yes.  He explained  that the  predictions of                                                               
growth  show that  the Matanuska  Susitna  Valley is  one of  the                                                               
fastest growing boroughs  in the state and is  located right next                                                               
to Alaska's  "largest economic  engine." He  said "that  would be                                                               
the sweet spot for  a [PPP] in Alaska; that would  be the kind of                                                               
project that would make it happen."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD said "I like that answer."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:56:58 PM                                                                                                                    
ED FOGELS, Deputy Commissioner,  Department of Natural Resources,                                                               
gave a  presentation on the Statewide  Digital Mapping Initiative                                                               
(SDMI)  [Power  Point  presentation   included  in  the  document                                                               
packet].  He  explained  that his  presentation  relates  to  the                                                               
discussion at hand because the  state wants to, in its evaluation                                                               
of port facilities in northwestern  Alaska, better its mapping of                                                               
that  area. He  explained  that  SDMI is  trying  to  get a  good                                                               
digital  elevation  model  (DEM)  of  the  terrain  in  northwest                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide 2  of the  presentation included  the mission  statement of                                                               
SDMI:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Alaska's Statewide Digital Mapping Initiative is an                                                                       
     interagency effort to produce high-resolution, digital                                                                     
     base maps of the entire state.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Slide  3 was  a background  on SDMI.  The initiative  was created                                                               
with  a   memorandum  of  agreement  with   the  following  state                                                               
departments:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
   · Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs                                                                               
   · Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
   · Department of Fish and Game                                                                                                
   · Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                   
  · Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                  
   · University of Alaska                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Slide 4  addressed the problem  statement: Alaska's  current base                                                               
map  consists  of 40  to  50  year-old United  States  Geological                                                               
Survey (USGS) maps.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Slide  5 included  an example  of an  old USGS  topographical map                                                               
from  1962.  He explained  that  these  maps  are not  only  non-                                                               
digital, but are inaccurate terrain  models. He said that some of                                                               
the planets like Mars and  Venus have been mapped more accurately                                                               
than Alaska by the federal government.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Slide 6  discussed the importance  of DEM. He explained  that DEM                                                               
is the resource  for all other resource data layers  and if it is                                                               
inaccurate then satellite images cannot be rectified.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:04:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  FOGELS  continued with  his  presentation.  Slide 7  was  an                                                               
example of  a Landsat 7 image  that was draped over  the national                                                               
elevation  dataset  (NED).  He explained  that  the  image  shows                                                               
rivers that flow up and down  the sides of mountains. He stressed                                                               
the  importance   of  having  an   accurate  terrain   model  for                                                               
individuals  such as  pilots who  have to  take into  account the                                                               
inaccuracies of the models they rely on.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Slide 8 gave the funding history of SDMI:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    · FY2007 - $2 million CIP [Capital Improvement Projects]                                                                    
      Funding                                                                                                                   
    · FY2008 - $2 million CIP Funding                                                                                           
    · FY2009 - $2 million CIP Funding                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Slide 9 included some of  the accomplishments that have been made                                                               
with those funds. These include:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · Alaska Mapped Web Portal - where satellite imagery and                                                                     
     digital elevation data is collected and available to the                                                                   
     public.                                                                                                                    
   · Purchased new statewide SPOT 2.5 meter imagery coverage.                                                                   
   · Purchased 20 foot contour interval DEM for 15 percent of                                                                   
     the state.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOGELS  noted  that  the  final bullet  point  is  the  most                                                               
pertinent to the current discussion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Slide  10  included a  more  detailed  discussion on  the  Alaska                                                               
Mapped Web Portal. He noted that  it is the distribution site for                                                               
Alaska imagery and elevation data.  This web portal is managed by                                                               
the  University of  Alaska  Fairbanks and  is  a public  website:                                                               
www.alaskamapped.org.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Slide 11 was a screen shot of the website.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Slide 12 was another image from  the website. He noted that it is                                                               
similar to Google  Earth for Alaska. He explained  that the image                                                               
in the presentation is a zoom-in  of the port facility at the Red                                                               
Dog Mine  and that this  is a  very accurate satellite  image. On                                                               
the  upper right  hand side  of  the image,  the picture  becomes                                                               
fuzzy, which  illustrates where  the good  imagery stops  and the                                                               
old imagery  begins. He noted that  once the SPOT 2.5  meter data                                                               
is acquired, this imagery will improve.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide 13  gave an overview of  the web portal. He  explained that                                                               
DNR has  pulled in data from  over 17 agencies and  acquired over                                                               
84 million acres of high-resolution  imagery and 18 million acres                                                               
of  high-resolution elevation  data.  He reiterated  that all  of                                                               
this data is available to the public.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Slide 14  discussed the statewide imagery  coverage. He explained                                                               
that  DNR has  purchased full  satellite imagery  for the  entire                                                               
state.  He noted  that  this  was done  with  $2  million of  CIP                                                               
funding  and  $2.6  million  worth   of  federal  coastal  impact                                                               
assessment  funds. He  noted that  DNR expects  to complete  this                                                               
project by 2013.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Slide  15 showed  the  satellite imagery  that  has already  been                                                               
collected.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Slide 16 discussed  the statewide DEM partnership.  He noted that                                                               
the remaining $2 million of  CIP funding along with federal funds                                                               
was used to purchase the DEM model for 15 percent of Alaska.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 17  showed, in red,  the area  that was purchased.  It also                                                               
broke down  what area  the state  paid for  and what  the federal                                                               
agencies paid for.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Slide  18 discussed  what needs  to be  done in  the future  with                                                               
regard to SDMI. He reminded the  committee that 85 percent of the                                                               
state still needs DEM.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOGELS  noted that, with  regard to ports and  harbors, DNR's                                                               
next  target  will, hopefully,  be  the  acquisition of  DEM  for                                                               
Northwest Alaska.  He explained that  this will enable  the state                                                               
to better study  the northwest for feasible port  sights. He said                                                               
that  Nick Mastrodicasa,  with  DOT, is  on  the digital  mapping                                                               
technical  team and  has spearheaded  the effort  to collect  the                                                               
DEM.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He concluded  that it  is important  for Alaska  to get  a better                                                               
base map.  He noted that DNR  has a very tight  relationship with                                                               
DOT and other agencies on this project.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MENARD asked if DNR has used Google Earth as a resource.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:08:47 PM                                                                                                                    
NICK  MASTRODICASA, Project  Manager,  Statewide Digital  Mapping                                                               
Initiative  Project, Division  of Statewide  Aviation, Department                                                               
of Transportation, replied that Google  purchased all of the data                                                               
from a  data aggregator  and this data  already exists  in Alaska                                                               
archives. Google did not acquire the  data for Alaska and did not                                                               
acquire any elevation data.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  asked  for  confirmation  that  the  maps  used  by                                                               
aviators are inaccurate.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTRODICASA replied yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked  for clarification that these  charts are based                                                               
off of 1962 USGS surveys.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTRODICASA replied that the  USGS surveys began in 1948 and                                                               
ran through  the mid to  late 1950's.  He explained that  the FAA                                                               
[Federal Aviation Administration] has to  correct the data on the                                                               
maps  all  the  time  in   sectionals.  He  said  that  the  ADSB                                                               
[automatic  dependence surveillance-broadcast]  and the  Capstone                                                               
program  have  to be  altered  due  to  the inaccuracies  in  the                                                               
elevation data. He  explained that if the data  that is currently                                                               
available was  put into the  cockpit "you could  potentially kill                                                               
somebody."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  asked  what  the estimated  cost  for  mapping  the                                                               
remaining 85 percent of Alaska would be.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MASTRODICASA replied  about $48  million. He  explained that                                                               
federal  funding would  cover  73  percent of  the  cost and  the                                                               
remaining 27 percent would be covered by the state.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:10:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE O'HARE,  Deputy Director, Division of  Homeland Security and                                                               
Emergency  Management,  Department   of  Military  and  Veterans'                                                               
Affairs (DMVA),  said that  SDMI addresses  the full  spectrum of                                                               
many agencies  and its missions.  With regard to the  Division of                                                               
Homeland  Security  and  Emergency Management,  if  an  emergency                                                               
planner used  Google Earth to  locate a shelter, for  example, it                                                               
may be  "a mile off  and sitting in  a river." He  explained that                                                               
for  emergency planning  this  is very  inaccurate  and does  not                                                               
allow for the  planning efforts that are  required. He reiterated                                                               
that  SDMI  is a  collaborative  effort  between many  state  and                                                               
federal agencies.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:12:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MENARD   asked  for  confirmation  that   there  was  no                                                               
legislative funding in 2010.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTRODICASA replied that's correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  asked for  confirmation that  only 15  percent of                                                               
Alaska has been digitally mapped.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTRODICASA replied that's correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD asked  for confirmation  that  the various  state                                                               
agencies  are coming  to the  legislature to  ask for  additional                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MASTRODICASA  replied "to  continue  the  work and  leverage                                                               
against federal funds."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:56 PM                                                                                                                    
LARRY  DIETRICK,  Director,  Division  of  Spill  Prevention  and                                                               
Response, Department  of Environmental  Conservation, highlighted                                                               
some of the items in the  Planning for Alaska's Ports and Harbors                                                               
report  that  relates  to  spill   prevention  and  response.  He                                                               
explained that in order to  support OCS [outer continental shelf]                                                               
development in Alaska there is a  great need for deep draft ports                                                               
to  accommodate  OCS  activity. He  stressed  the  importance  of                                                               
considering  deep  draft  ports  in  the  selection  process  and                                                               
identification for ports in the northern part of the state.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said that  another factor to take into  consideration for port                                                               
site identification  is the  opening of  the arctic  and shipping                                                               
through  the arctic  that  will  occur. He  said  that an  Arctic                                                               
Marine Shipping  assessment is available  that could  be valuable                                                               
in terms  of providing information on  anticipated vessel traffic                                                               
in the  arctic and through  Bering Strait. He stressed  that this                                                               
is a  key pinch  point for spill  prevention and  planning. There                                                               
are  also concerns  about vessels  that  may avoid  US waters  in                                                               
order to  evade spill prevention response  requirements, which is                                                               
of interest to the Coast Guard.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He noted that  there is a spill prevention response  plan for the                                                               
arctic and  northwest Alaska.  Included in the  plan is  the pre-                                                               
identification of some "places of  refuge," which are areas where                                                               
vessels may  anchor up and  provide a  safe harbor. He  said that                                                               
this  should  also  be  a  consideration  in  the  selection  and                                                               
identification of ports.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DIETRICK  pointed out  that  there  is a  disputed  maritime                                                               
boundary  at Inuvik  in the  Yukon Territory  between Alaska  and                                                               
Canada, which goes out into the  Beaufort Sea. He noted that this                                                               
is an  issue from a  spill response perspective. He  stressed the                                                               
importance of  ports that support both  off-shore development and                                                               
spill response.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:18:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  OLSON  recognized  the presence  of  Representative  Peggy                                                               
Wilson.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He asked Mr. Dietrick for confirmation that Inuvik has a port.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK  replied Tuktoyaktuk  is the off-shore  port; Inuvik                                                               
is the oil-support base.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked what kind  of resources [DEC] has for off-shore                                                               
spills, especially  when it is  between international  waters and                                                               
US controlled waters.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DIETRICK replied  that  in the  US, on  both  the state  and                                                               
federal level, the  capacity to respond to spills  is placed upon                                                               
the responsible  party. It  is the  regulated community  that has                                                               
the  capacity to  respond.  He explained  that  currently in  the                                                               
state, with the OCS lease sale  areas, the capacity to respond to                                                               
spills is provided  by those that explore the  area. For example,                                                               
when Shell  Oil conducts  any activity  in that  area it  has the                                                               
necessary instruments and  plan in tact to  respond, contain, and                                                               
remove the oil.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SUSAN BELL,  Commissioner, Department of Commerce,  Community and                                                               
Economic  Development   (DCCED),  said  the  ports   and  harbors                                                               
infrastructure, from  DCCED's perspective, is essential  for both                                                               
community vitality  and economic development. She  noted that the                                                               
Planning of  Alaska's Regional Ports and  Harbors report provides                                                               
a  lot  of  current  information on  the  state's  infrastructure                                                               
needs,  industry trends,  and other  factors to  consider. It  is                                                               
also in  alignment with a  current approach from the  governor to                                                               
be looking at hub communities  and prioritizing some of the ports                                                               
and areas  that are going  to generate economic  development. She                                                               
supported  the  importance  of prioritizing  Alaska's  ports  and                                                               
looking  at public  private  partnerships.  She acknowledged  Mr.                                                               
Ottesen's comments on PPP and  AIDEA. She stressed the importance                                                               
of looking at each unique project.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She said  that DCCED has noticed  that many of the  issues in the                                                               
ports and harbor study are very  similar to the issues that DCCED                                                               
faced  with  sanitation:  the   need  for  coordinated  planning,                                                               
expensive projects  that need to  be phased  in, and the  need to                                                               
often  augment management  capabilities at  the community  level.                                                               
She  noted  that  the  Denali  Commission took  a  lead  role  in                                                               
coordinating  the  Rural  Utility Sanitation  Committee  to  work                                                               
through these issues.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:23:50 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  BELL proceeded  by answering  some of  the specific                                                               
questions that DCCED was asked to address.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The  first question  was  how  DCCED assists  many  of the  small                                                               
communities with  port and harbor projects.  She acknowledged the                                                               
work of  the Division of  Community and Regional  Affairs (DCRA),                                                               
which  has helped  communities build  its management  capacity in                                                               
order  to develop  and maintain  its infrastructure.  She pointed                                                               
out  that DCCED  is part  of the  multi-agency effort  working on                                                               
SDMI and  this information is  critical for port  planning. DCCED                                                               
also administers  many grants to  ports and harbors:  some funded                                                               
through  the legislature,  the Alaska  Community and  Development                                                               
Block   grants,  or   other  specific   programs.   One  of   the                                                               
recommendations  listed  in  the  report   was  to  look  into  a                                                               
threshold grant [for ports and  harbors]. She noted that DCCED is                                                               
currently working with  OMB [Office of Management  and Budget] to                                                               
figure  out how  grants  can be  stream-lined  through DCRA.  She                                                               
explained that, currently,  no matter the grant  amount, the same                                                               
set of paperwork is needed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She continued  that the  Division of  Economic Development  is an                                                               
area where  DCCED is  looking to  help strengthen  the industries                                                               
that help make  these ports and harbors  economically viable. She                                                               
reiterated that  AIDEA's work  is noted in  the report.  She said                                                               
that in  Skagway the Red  Dog Mine  funds some of  the businesses                                                               
that help strengthen the user groups of ports and harbors.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She explained that the Alaska  Energy Authority's (AEA) work with                                                               
the bulk fuel tank farms, while  not directly engaged in port and                                                               
harbor  development, are  located in  Alaska's river  and coastal                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:26:02 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER BELL  continued with  the second question  DCCED was                                                               
asked  to  address with  regard  to  giving  tax powers  to  port                                                               
authorities.  She explained  that  this topic  needs  to be  more                                                               
fully explored  and there  are pros  and cons  with it.  She said                                                               
that giving  tax powers to  port authorities would help  create a                                                               
dedicated  funding  source  for   port  and  harbor  development.                                                               
However, it is important that  a municipality figure out what the                                                               
overall needs for  a community are and where its  funds should be                                                               
allocated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She said that,  finally, DCCED was asked to  speak about maritime                                                               
policy. She explained that, to  her knowledge, the state does not                                                               
have  a  maritime  policy  and  that  marine-related  issues  are                                                               
addressed  through a  number of  individual  agencies and  multi-                                                               
agency efforts. She  added that coastal and river  areas are very                                                               
different  throughout  the  state  with  regard  to  seasonality,                                                               
climate, population,  and the  types of  industrial opportunities                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She concluded that,  as a state, there is a  great effort to make                                                               
sure  that the  public is  aware of  these maritime  issues, that                                                               
there  is  sustainable  use  of Alaska's  bodies  of  water,  and                                                               
leadership  in national  and  international  maritime affairs  is                                                               
promoted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON  said that  while it  is okay  to build  a port  at a                                                               
sight, there has to be  surface transportation to bring the goods                                                               
to the  port. For instance, there  are a lot of  areas that would                                                               
work well  for a deep water  port, but the area  is not connected                                                               
to any  place. He asked if  DCCED has given any  consideration to                                                               
surface transportation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BELL  replied that  DCCED looked  at the  report and                                                               
recognized  that  the linkage  from  a  port  to places  such  as                                                               
Anchorage  or  the  Matanuska Susitna  Valley  is  critical.  She                                                               
stressed the need  to think about ports and harbors  in a broader                                                               
context. She acknowledged that "DOT is a big piece of that."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:29:43 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB  PAWLOWSKI,  Legislative  Liaison, Detail  for  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,    Denali   Commission,    discussed   the    Denali                                                               
Commission's  role in  the development  of ports  and harbors  in                                                               
Alaska. He paraphrased the following piece of written testimony:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  [Alaska  Regional  Ports:  Planning  for  Alaska's                                                                    
     Ports and harbors] report is  very clear that waterways                                                                    
     are vitally important to the  state as most communities                                                                    
     depend heavily  on movement of general  cargo, building                                                                    
     materials,  and  freight.  The lack  of  roads  to  and                                                                    
     amongst   most  communities   further  emphasizes   the                                                                    
     importance  waterways  and  ports,  harbors  and  barge                                                                    
     landings at  each community  fulfill. And  finally this                                                                    
     is complicated  by the  short navigational  season that                                                                    
     depends  on efficient  and  cost effective  operations.                                                                    
     The  Denali  Commission,   as  an  independent  Federal                                                                    
     Agency  with  state  and  federal  co-chairs,  received                                                                    
     program authorization  and funding  in 2005 as  part of                                                                    
     SAFETEA-LU  transportation  bill   for  both  road  and                                                                    
     waterfront   programs.   The   waterfront   development                                                                    
     program  addresses port,  harbor, and  other waterfront                                                                    
     needs  for  rural  communities.  The  focus  areas  are                                                                    
     important to regional ports,  and construction of barge                                                                    
     landings and docking facilities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Of particular  merit, since 2005 the  Denali Commission                                                                    
     has invested  over $50  million in  waterfront projects                                                                    
     throughout  Alaska.  Recently,  the  Denali  Commission                                                                    
     approved   $14,826,397  in   funding   for  25   FY2011                                                                    
     waterfront development  projects across the  state. The                                                                    
     approval  for   innovative  barge  mooring   points  in                                                                    
     various communities  on the Kuskokwim and  Yukon rivers                                                                    
     is an  excellent example of partnerships  in innovative                                                                    
     ways to  support local communities on  Alaska's rivers.                                                                    
     These points were developed in  partnership with the US                                                                    
     Army   Corps   of   Engineers  Alaska   District,   the                                                                    
     communities, and  the tug and  barge industry  to allow                                                                    
     the  offloading of  freight and  fuel in  a moored  and                                                                    
     more  efficient  manner,  thus saving  the  communities                                                                    
     money   and   minimizing   disruption  to   the   river                                                                    
     environment (i.e. shoaling problems and other damage).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  Denali  Commission  encourages  the  committee  to                                                                    
     further  explore plans  for improving  the harbors  and                                                                    
     river  landings,  including  opportunities  for  public                                                                    
     private  partnerships  that support  local  communities                                                                    
     with a  combination of  federal and  non-federal funds.                                                                    
     Having  staff actively  involved in  the "Planning  for                                                                    
     Alaska's  Regional Ports  and  Harbors"  study and  the                                                                    
     2008  and 2010  Alaska Ports  workshops, we  understand                                                                    
     the  needs  identified in  this  report  and offer  our                                                                    
     waterfront  and  community   development  expertise  in                                                                    
     helping  to  sustain   rural  Alaska  communities  that                                                                    
     depend on navigable waters.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON asked what federal funds can be counted on in the                                                                   
near future for building port facilities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PAWLOWSKI replied  that it  is  difficult to  see what  will                                                               
happen. He  noted that congressionally directed  funds with bills                                                               
that  are under  reauthorization are  being discussed.  Currently                                                               
the safety lieu  is being continued through  2013. However, there                                                               
is a chance  that the FTA [Federal  Transit Administration] money                                                               
of $5  million per year,  may be  slipping out under  a different                                                               
clause.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:33:46 PM                                                                                                                    
LARRY   COTTER,  CEO,   Aleutian  Island   Community  Development                                                               
Association   (APICDA)  and   Chair,  Western   Alaska  Community                                                               
Development  Association (WACDA),  said  that the  state is  very                                                               
reliant  on  [harbors]  in  Alaska,  particularly  in  rural  and                                                               
western  Alaska.  He said  "if  we  don't  have a  [harbor],  the                                                               
viability of  the community is greatly  at risk."  He  noted that                                                               
there  is a  very  important  distinction between  a  port and  a                                                               
harbor.  A port is a  facility that receives cargo for subsequent                                                               
transport out and  is typically located in  larger communities. A                                                               
harbor is  a facility that serves  as a key infrastructure  for a                                                               
community  and is  typically located  in smaller  communities. He                                                               
stressed  that  harbors  serve   as  the  backbone  for  economic                                                               
stability  in  western  Alaska.  He explained  that  it  is  very                                                               
competitive to  try and  get money  for harbors,  particularly in                                                               
Washington  D.C.  He  said  that  what  the  state  is  doing  in                                                               
conjunction with USACE, with regard  to the particular project at                                                               
hand,  is long  overdue.  It  is important  to  have a  logically                                                               
worked-out program that will help  identify: "what we want to do,                                                               
where we are  going to do it,  and why we're going to  do it." He                                                               
recognized that  the state  will need  financial help  to develop                                                               
ports and harbors.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:36:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COTTER  said that with regard  to ports of refuge  and safety                                                               
there is  a lot of attention  focused on the arctic  and the need                                                               
to develop deep water ports.  However, the Aleutian Chain already                                                               
has well  over 2,000 vessels  transiting it; this has  been noted                                                               
in the Planning  for Alaska's Regional Ports  and Harbors report.                                                               
He explained that  in the past five or six  years there have been                                                               
at  least  four major  groundings  in  the Aleutian  Islands  and                                                               
several near misses.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He said  that safety  is very  important and  harbors play  a key                                                               
role.  He noted  that  in the  Bering Sea  during  the snow  crab                                                               
fisheries, there  is one port,  Saint Paul, which gets  iced over                                                               
in the  winter. He explained  that this  means there is  no place                                                               
for vessels to  go during a storm. He said  that these issues can                                                               
be  avoided  when  a  port  and harbor  plan  has  been  properly                                                               
developed for Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:38:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MENARD said she appreciates his comments.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  asked what  the plan  is for  funding some  of these                                                               
capital  projects  and  whether the  CDQ  (Community  Development                                                               
Quota) [of  APICDA] plans  on getting involved  in some  of these                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COTTER replied  that APICDA  has in  the past  and plans  to                                                               
continue doing so.  He  explained that the association has always                                                               
put up  $1 million or  more into  such projects. For  example, in                                                               
Saint  George APICDA  has already  put over  $3 million  into the                                                               
port.  He noted  that  NSEDC [Norton  Sound Economic  Development                                                               
Corporation] and other groups have invested similar amounts.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON said  the House and Senate Finance  committee has had                                                               
a lot  of discussions on  harbor maintenance. He asked  what kind                                                               
of involvement  the CDQ of  APICDA is  doing with regard  to this                                                               
topic.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COTTER replied  that APICDA  has not  faced that  issue yet.                                                               
However, he  said "if a harbor  goes in then we're  going to have                                                               
money  in that  harbor."  He noted  that  economic activity  will                                                               
develop as  a result of  that harbor. Finally, he  explained that                                                               
if the viability of that harbor  in the future is contingent upon                                                               
APICDA funds the association will provide it.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:40:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MATT GANLEY,  Vice President, Land and  Resources, Bering Straits                                                               
Native Corporation (BSNC), discussed  the importance of obtaining                                                               
Port Clarence  as a potential  port of refuge and  spill response                                                               
in  Bering  Strait. He  explained  that  spill response  directly                                                               
affects  BSNC  shareholders  and Bering  Strait  communities.  He                                                               
expressed  the corporation's  interest on  the ports  and harbors                                                               
report  and  the related  studies  on  the  ports of  refuge.  He                                                               
explained that Nome  is the hub for the Bering  Strait region; it                                                               
has a  port that may  or may not be  able to take  deeper vessels                                                               
depending  on  what  modification   could  be  made  there.  BSNC                                                               
selected Port Clarence,  the 2,000 acres that  are under military                                                               
withdrawal, in 1976. The port  was decommissioned on a fast-track                                                               
this  past summer  by the  Coast  Guard. He  explained that  this                                                               
facility is  incredible with an impressive  infrastructure, which                                                               
now lies  abandoned. The corporation  is seeking to  receive that                                                               
land under  angst. However,  he explained  that depending  on the                                                               
Coast  Guard's  plans,  the  property  will  not  be  in  private                                                               
ownership  for  20  years.  Currently,  BSNC  is  pursuing  every                                                               
possible option.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.   GANLEY  explained   that  this   situation  opens   up  the                                                               
opportunity for  a PPP. NSEDC, which  is the CDQ for  the region,                                                               
would have an interest in  the facility, particularly with regard                                                               
to safety  and the fisheries that  could open up. Because  of the                                                               
location of the  facility (about halfway between  Nome and Bering                                                               
Straits), it  would make sense  to have this port  operational to                                                               
respond to  vessels in  distress in  Bering Strait.  He concluded                                                               
that the  corporation is concerned  about receiving  the property                                                               
with a liability,  since it currently lies  abandoned; the longer                                                               
that it  takes to  receive that land,  the greater  the liability                                                               
will be.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:45:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  OLSON asked  for  confirmation that  his  expertise is  in                                                               
archaeology.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY answered  yes. He explained that he has  been with the                                                               
BSNC for a long time and has dealt with a number of issues.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD asked for confirmation  that the facility has been                                                               
dormant since the 1970's.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY replied no; the land  was selected in the 1970's under                                                               
the Alaska  Native Land  Claims Settlement  Act. However,  it was                                                               
withdrawn in  the 1960's as  a communication site by  the federal                                                               
government and the Coast Guard  built its Loran Station there. He                                                               
explained  that the  Loran Mission  ended in  2010 and  the Coast                                                               
Guard decommissioned the station.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  asked for confirmation  that there is  7,000 feet                                                               
of runway.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD asked if there is a hangar out there.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY replied no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD asked if there was a school.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GANLEY replied  no; it  was strictly  a station  to run  the                                                               
[Loran-C] tower.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD said that she  feels strongly that infrastructures                                                               
like this should not go to  waste. She asked what the legislature                                                               
can do.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY  answered that the  Bering Straits  Native Corporation                                                               
is discussing this with the congressional delegation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked what kind  of land the facility is on                                                               
and whether it can be built on.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GANLEY  replied  yes.  He  explained  that  the  corporation                                                               
contracted  a geomorphologist  to  take a  look  at the  property                                                               
since there was concern that the  land might not have a long-term                                                               
life   because    the   property   is   not    very   high.   The                                                               
geomorphologist's report stated that it's  a very stable landform                                                               
that,  for  the  last  1,500  years,  has  not  experienced  much                                                               
erosion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked for  confirmation that there is space                                                               
for 24 people to live.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked how deep the port is.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY answered  that the water close to the  point is deeper                                                               
than the  port of  Nome and  is a deep  water port.  He explained                                                               
that  while  the spit  is  low,  it  would protect  vessels.  The                                                               
geography is  very good as  a port  of refuge. He  encouraged the                                                               
committee members to look at a map of the area.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked how deep the water is.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY replied about 25 feet at the end of the spit.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if the plans  are to have a  town at                                                               
Port Clarence.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GANLEY replied  not necessarily  a town.  He explained  that                                                               
BSNC is  in line to  receive the  property and land  under angst,                                                               
but  it doesn't  want to  take it  with liability.  He reiterated                                                               
that  he  can't  speak  to  what the  Coast  Guard's  plans  are.                                                               
However, he explained that because of  cuts to the Bureau of Land                                                               
Management,  it  will  be, optimistically,  2050,  before  Native                                                               
corporations receive  its lands. He  noted that this is  the same                                                               
situation for potential state lands.   He explained that the BSNC                                                               
hopes  to seek  legislation in  Washington D.C.  to expedite  the                                                               
process.  From a  safety standpoint  and for  the economy  of the                                                               
region  the Bering  Straits Native  Corporation  is committed  to                                                               
take this on, Mr. Ganley explained.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  commented that the  response capability  [of Port                                                               
Clarence] is tremendous.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GANLEY concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:52:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  DAVIS,  Officer,  Economic Development,  Alaska  Industrial                                                               
Development &  Export Authority (AIDEA), Department  of Commerce,                                                               
Community and  Economic Development  (DCCED), said that  AIDEA is                                                               
very active in  the Public Private Partnerships  (PPP) arena. The                                                               
Red  Dog Mine's  DeLong Mountain  transportation system  port and                                                               
the  current plan  for the  port of  Skagway both  involve a  PPP                                                               
structure.  He explained  that  there is  also  a potential  port                                                               
project in  Seward that  would involve  using private  and public                                                               
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said  that with regard  to other finance mechanisms  there are                                                               
several.  One mechanism  is called  "patient capital,"  and is  a                                                               
form  of structuring  debt.  He noted  that  the DeLong  Mountain                                                               
Transportation Corridor  is an example  of this type  of funding.                                                               
He continued that another mechanism  for funding is a Florida SIB                                                               
(State  Infrastructure Bank).  Yet another  mechanism is  federal                                                               
tax credits, under  New Market Tax Credit.  Finally, another idea                                                               
for funding, which is not  mentioned in the Planning for Alaska's                                                               
Regional Ports  and Harbors report, is  Below-Market Loans, which                                                               
is used by  the California Industrial Development  Bank. He noted                                                               
that while AIDEA  does not have that  authority, some development                                                               
authorities do.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He commented  that AIDEA  is happy  with the  review that  it has                                                               
received.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS noted  that the Port of Skagway was  classified, in the                                                               
report,  as  a  "subregional   port,"  which  AIDEA  respectfully                                                               
disagrees   with.  He   explained  that   the  definition   of  a                                                               
subregional port is located in  the introduction of the report on                                                               
page five and states:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     subregional hubs do not directly send or receive goods                                                                     
     from outside the stateā€¦                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said  that  the  Port   of  Skagway  is  currently  exporting                                                               
substantial  amounts  of ore  concentrate  from  the Minto  Mine.                                                               
Currently there are 12 shipments  per year, and by 2018 shipments                                                               
are  estimated to  increase to  about 50  shipments per  year. He                                                               
explained  that AIDEA  believes this  will occur  because of  the                                                               
development of three major mining  projects. He explained that in                                                               
addition  to  these  projects  AIDEA  is  in  communication  with                                                               
several mines in Canada about making Skagway an import harbor.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He explained that, with this  in mind, the governor has requested                                                               
a  $10 million  appropriation for  Skagway, which  would build  a                                                               
part  of the  infrastructure that  can't generate  revenue. AIDEA                                                               
would then put  in about $65 million through  bonding, along with                                                               
other  private partnership  commitments. This  means that  only a                                                               
small  amount  of  general  funds  would be  used  for  the  port                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:57:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTINE  KLEIN,  Executive  Vice  President  and  COO,  Calista                                                               
Corporation, Bethel, AK, said the  Planning for Alaska's Regional                                                               
Ports and  Harbors report is  an excellent start.  She emphasized                                                               
that both  ports and harbors  in Alaska are  absolutely essential                                                               
for  access,  delivering  supplies   to  rural  communities,  and                                                               
commerce. She  explained that one  thing the state has  relied on                                                               
is the US Rivers and Harbors  Act, developed in the 1860's, which                                                               
gave USACE  authority over all  ports and harbors.  However, that                                                               
program was  never intended to address  or fund all of  the ports                                                               
and  harbors in  the United  States,  in particular  some of  the                                                               
unique situations found in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She noted that while there are  very few ports there are hundreds                                                               
of harbors, which are depended  upon by villages and thousands of                                                               
citizens. Most of these harbors  are not eligible for any federal                                                               
aid. She explained that there is  no funding program to deal with                                                               
Alaska's ports  or harbors and  this has been  underemphasized in                                                               
the  report. She  added that  this is  one of  the larger  policy                                                               
issues  that state  legislators  are probably  going  to need  to                                                               
address. She noted  that, for as many ports and  harbors that the                                                               
state has, the funding cycles  within DOT has a very intermittent                                                               
municipal   harbor  matching   grant  and   deferred  maintenance                                                               
program. This  program is funded year-to-year  and averages about                                                               
$5  million  to  cover  all  ports and  harbors  in  Alaska.  She                                                               
stressed the need  for the state to have a  designated program or                                                               
funds to  rely on. She suggested  that if the report  could, when                                                               
it  is finalized,  better  summarize some  of  the solutions  and                                                               
directions this will help everyone in the future.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She noted  that there were two  areas within the report  that she                                                               
found to be issues. The first  issue is the lack of regular state                                                               
funding sources; whether  this is user fees or  taxes. The second                                                               
issue   is   the  need   for   a   constitutional  amendment   or                                                               
authorization  to  enable  the state  to  dedicate,  accept,  and                                                               
utilize funds for  transportation needs. She noted  that this was                                                               
in  Alaska's  constitution  at  one  time,  but  has  since  been                                                               
changed. She  explained that this  would enable there to  be some                                                               
consistent statewide  comprehensive planning and address  some of                                                               
the construction  and renovation  needed for reliable  access and                                                               
economic activity,  particularly in  rural areas. She  noted that                                                               
most states in the nation  have some type of transportation trust                                                               
fund   or  core   program   to   supplement  its   transportation                                                               
infrastructure. Alaska  is one  of the few  states that  does not                                                               
have this.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:02:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KLEIN explained that because  the Yukon Kuskokwim region is a                                                               
river delta,  it is more  of a river  port than a  maritime port.                                                               
Emmonak and Alakunuk is the  other site where shipments enter the                                                               
Yukon  River from  the  ocean.  She explained  that  some of  the                                                               
difficulty has  been in  developing and  funding of  ports; which                                                               
requires  high-intensive funding.  Small  communities in  western                                                               
and  northwestern Alaska  cannot take  on those  types of  costs.                                                               
However,  these regions  are probably  the most  reliant on  this                                                               
mode of transportation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She noted that with respect to  some of the industries, which the                                                               
Calista Corporation  has hopes of developing,  maritime and river                                                               
barge   shipping  is   known   to  be   the   cheapest  mode   of                                                               
transportation, especially  for heavy commodities. She  said that                                                               
she  is  pleased  with  the   recommendation  in  the  report  to                                                               
establish a lead  agency or group that would  help coordinate the                                                               
many entities.  She said that there  should be an effort  made by                                                               
the  state  to  not  only  pull  together  these  groups  but  to                                                               
prioritize some  of the needed ports  and hubs in the  state. She                                                               
reiterated the  importance of having more  stable funding, rather                                                               
than relying on federal grants and earmarks.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Finally, she explained  that with regard to  port financing there                                                               
are  options  that  could  be  made  easier  for  public  private                                                               
partnership, such as tax incentives.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:08:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MENARD  commented that she  appreciates the  Planning for                                                               
Alaska's  Regional  Ports  and  Harbors report  and  that  it  is                                                               
noteworthy that the  final report will not be  issued until after                                                               
this   meeting.  She   said  that   the  SDMI   presentation  was                                                               
educational and that  the legislature needs to  look into funding                                                               
the mapping for the rest of the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  asked Ms.  Klein what her  position is  with Calista                                                               
Corporation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN answered  the chief  operating  officer and  executive                                                               
vice president.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON said  there has been some discussion about  a port on                                                               
Donlin Creek  above Bethel  in order  to access  some of  the oil                                                               
reserves in  the area. He  asked what Calista's  involvement will                                                               
be in that port.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN replied  that  at this  point it  would  be a  private                                                               
development. She  said that  she could not  speak to  the funding                                                               
for the  Donlin Creek project. She  said that with regard  to the                                                               
location the Birch  Tree Crossing near Aniak and a  site near the                                                               
village of  Crooked Creek  are being  considered. She  noted that                                                               
the  Calista Corporation's  type  of involvement  depends on  the                                                               
site that is chosen.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  explained  that  he  brings  the  question  forward                                                               
because there has been a request  to the state from the community                                                               
of Akiak  to build a  port in  conjunction with the  Donlin Creek                                                               
project. He asked if Calista is involved with this.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN answered  that the  Donlin Creek  development recently                                                               
had a  request for  proposals for sites  on the  Kuskokwim River.                                                               
These  came from  communities and  tribal groups  that have  land                                                               
available  that might  be deemed  as  a possible  port site.  She                                                               
noted that many communities submitted letters of interest.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON closed public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:11:40 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Olson adjourned the meeting at 5:11 p.m.                                                                                  

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